“CH: But the other thing about the Rutt-Etra was that it seemed to allow you to articulate some issues having to do image architecture … Woody: There were two significances. First, film could be taken off its boundaries. Film always presents a frame; the Rutt-Etra was a tool that took the frame off its boundaries. That to me was very important but no one else has ever commented upon it. Because I believe that once you take the frame outside of its filmic boundaries, the filmic truth disappears; it is no longer a window to the world. All the discussion about film being truth is taken away in an instant.”